Citizens Prerogative Podcast Closed Caption Transcript
S3 E53 P3 Transform Learning

10:17:13 In times like these. Being a citizen is a big job.
10:17:15 Thank you for joining us to celebrate the virtues of self-rule and debate the state of our Republic.
10:17:21 Welcome to the citizens prerogative. podcast This is the voice of your nerdy host, Michael Piscatelli, and we are inspired by a co-host whose Passion for our Republic proceeds him everywhere.
10:17:32 He goes, Raymond. one jr thank you thank you i'm in a learning space today i'm in a learning type of head as you should be.
10:17:43 This is episode Number 53. This is part 3 in our 5 part series today.
10:17:49 We're going to be talking all about transforming learning how we need to learn in the country
10:18:01 Just to preview some of the topics we're gonna be talking about transforming the institution of our learning system for a more perfect union.
10:18:08 We're going to talk a lot about maybe more strategic stuff as we do citizens prerogative podcast, tends to be pretty high level, But with all of the episodes in this 5 part series, we expect to come back and make
10:18:22 some finer point, some additional details about how some of these things may actually look on the ground now and in the future.
10:18:30 But today we just want to talk about the overall overarching structure, and our view overall is to what what cans learning should take in the near future and future. future.
10:18:45 Open your yourself to the idea of this transportation. Historically, this system was created for us by the rich.
10:18:56 It was spoon fed to us as a method to get us aligned to listen to our bosses to work in the factory.
10:19:04 So the education system was not designed for. you it was designed to model you in a fashion. So let's be open to the idea of changing education, changing learning as we know it. Yeah, thank you Ray.
10:19:22 I mean that's a good point to say historically speaking there's really been 2 forks for education.
10:19:28 One that goes to the factory and the other one that goes to the university.
10:19:34 And then from the university people went to the CEO or the C.
10:19:37 Suites right, and everyone who was in the factories goes to the factories like this.
10:19:40 2 different conveyors going to 2 different levels of society and It doesn't need to be that way, actually, we're we're gonna make the argument that it shouldn't be that way anymore.
10:19:50 That's very old thinking right
10:20:00 So what we're going to be taking everybody through today, is what this whole episode means is that, like Ray said, we need a whole new perspective on learning for our posterity's sake, like many of the things that we talk about in
10:20:11 this series. There are a lot of things that aren't going to benefit us today.
10:20:16 Anybody who is past the age of traditional schooling is not going to benefit from the change that we're talking about today.
10:20:22 So let's 0 in on the idea that really everything we're talking about today is going to be staging ourselves.
10:20:31 Maybe to be seeing a better future when we're in retirement or posterity, or the people who are gonna hopefully inherent the benefits of all of these changes.
10:20:40 So kind of keep that in the back here mine cause it's kind of It's a long road to get from where we are to where we need to go, but it all begins with all of us getting on the same page as to what
10:20:51 the goal. the overall goals and outcomes should be for learning, for all of our posterity, for our young people who are gonna inherent this country in the world of tomorrow.
10:21:06 I think that when I look at what's happened in society, when we force people to work, we force you into these jobs like medical profession, that have a higher wage, more guaranteeed pay, and demand and individuals who maybe that
10:21:24 wasn't their passion. maybe that wasn't their love maybe that wasn't what they wanted to do, and we are then entering our golden age, and that's what i'd say mike if there's going to be any benefit
10:21:34 for someone like you and I if we're lucky enough to live to our Golden Ages is that someone that's working there really wants to be there.
10:21:43 They're not forced there they're not stuck there due to student loan debt.
10:21:47 They're not there due to a financial obligation or what they thought was the right career path.
10:21:53 It would be lovely, knowing that those places of care for our most vulnerable are full of people that want it to be there, not forced through the current system
10:22:07 That's an awesome point to bring up because I don't think anywhere in these bullets I tie things back to 4 profit, and unfortunately right.
10:22:18 A lot of the decisions people make around learning are driven by some future expectation of profit.
10:22:27 In a way, if I can pivot it to a different perspective, and it's not right, and it's not fair.
10:22:34 It's not fair to the individual who's saddled with all that debt, and is forced to work in that field that maybe they actually don't want to work in come to find out, because the work is very different than the
10:22:45 study. They got to stay there. They got to do that job.
10:22:48 They got to pay off their debt and who's not getting the best out of that person, both them and us those of us who are paying for their service if they're not there really to help.
10:22:58 They're only there for the paycheck it's a bit of a problem in a lot of areas in our society, from learning to medical etc.,
10:23:11 So on that note. learning I would just say the juxtaposition to the I'm gonna go to school, so I can make money.
10:23:18 Perspective is, i'm gonna go to school. So that I can learn and that is what we would propose.
10:23:26 And you know, I think we're not gonna talk about universal basic income, or anything like that.
10:23:29 But learning should be an exercise in freedom it should be an exercise in freeing one's mind to prepare an open one to explore life to its fullest.
10:23:42 So we're gonna go into the bullets that we actually had planned, which is gonna articulate at a high level.
10:23:49 Some of the outcomes that would be ideal for it.
10:23:54 A new learning environment, so just jump into it. First thing here is forget memorization.
10:24:04 Forget shortcuts forget, standardized tests we are gonna we. We're gonna propose changing all of that. and in order to do that, it's gonna require us to change everything on top of it.
10:24:21 If you can imagine the good news is is a lot of the standardized testing, at least for the collegiate levels.
10:24:24 And maybe even if all of the precollegiate learning institutions are slowly going to go away because we've discovered that standardized testing actually isn't very effective.
10:24:35 But both Ray and I could have told you that years ago in our youth. memorization and shortcuts aren't so great I either my, at some point in time later in life you will figure out the things that are important for you
10:24:48 to memorize or the shortcuts for you to learn That's not something that you should be going to school to learn.
10:24:55 You should be learning the long cuts, and so you can figure out your own shortcuts.
10:25:01 I would like to point out that when it comes to the education models, you know those of you that are concerned about the big bad communism in the room.
10:25:09 You know the the Asian, you know frankly that region, but the Chinese in particular, are focused on memorization.
10:25:19 You almost have to memorize the essay exactly how it should be written last time.
10:25:25 You know, plagiaristic in some ways, but you have to write it almost exactly perfect.
10:25:31 So memorization is all they care about and that's not the right balance to creative society.
10:25:37 So if you're looking for if memorization works if it's the right way to drive an education system.
10:25:41 There's examples out there there's about about a 1 billion of them right now.
10:25:46 So you can check that out. I love It i'm thinking of confidence versus creativity.
10:25:56 So maybe in some of those Asian countries that are very regimented and communistic, they are more concerned about conformance, which is kind of like the system we have today versus creativity creating humans you know, fully capable of exercising
10:26:14 their own agency, thinking for themselves that might be dangerous huh? that's good for democracy, not good for communism.
10:26:22 Guess what it comes down to is in the current model.
10:26:24 If you have the affluence, or even the middle income, to afford the luxury of hobby, you, you can have a deeper learning experience, right?
10:26:36 But even for people that have gone through education, they found find themselves in midlife crisis, because this education didn't give them the film it right?
10:26:44 So they they they have to fill themselves with a lot of hobby.
10:26:45 Fill whole lot of trickery. And this is what happens when you design systems for the halves versus the have not.
10:26:56 Instead of just making, having an opportunity for everyone in designing one system for that which which I think is overall our proposal, let's design one system for everyone to participate in equally and effectively, But we digress.
10:27:11 So, taking a steps step back from that system specifically on education. Here are some of the proposals that we have in mind
10:27:21 First up. we want to teach young people how to learn skills.
10:27:26 How to discern facts, how to think properly and use their agency to find purpose and contribute to their communities.
10:27:36 It's a loaded statement
10:27:41 Each of these points is absolutely critical. I mean first and foremost learning skills is essential because it's the one thing. One of the things that we're going to be doing all of our lives.
10:27:54 Nobody goes to school, learns one set of skills and then never develops or evolve those skills or improves on those skills or learns new skills.
10:28:02 You're always gonna have to do that what schools should teach you how to do is how to learn skills, how to teach yourself new skills while you're in school.
10:28:11 That is a process that's really important for lifelong experience at the same time being able to learn skills you have to be able to discern facts, and quite frankly, discerning facts is a skill in and of itself
10:28:25 it's something that requires practice so in order to think properly.
10:28:30 You have to practice what it is to be able to discern facts. and then, when it comes to using your agency, I mean once you can figure out what the truth is in and around your environment and you know how to develop the skills you need
10:28:44 to succeed. Those 2 things are the end. All be all for you to get a sense of the directionality for your purpose, and how you can contribute to the your communities.
10:28:57 So this one sentence in of itself. It feeds on itself, and builds on itself for the betterment of ourselves and our communities.
10:29:08 We've learned anything recently in recent social media and the new hyperconnected environment is there there is no limits to free speech.
10:29:17 Currently or or the limits that were there are now being tested.
10:29:22 And and it is it is a time when you must be prepared to dissect free speech, and and make sure it's not pervasive to make sure it's not false
10:29:34 It's a very dangerous time, because free speech is being leveraged to sell you snake oil across the country.
10:29:41 Yeah, it's a very dangerous time to be swimming in the ocean without knowing how to swim.
10:29:48 Essentially is how I think about it. especially for anyone who thinks they can just get all of their information for any one source.
10:29:55 This is the worst time in history I mean it's never been a good time to get all of your information from one source, but because now information is so widely available from any source.
10:30:10 One not so smart person who doesn't really care about anybody hiding in their apartment somewhere in a city. Right they can.
10:30:15 They can produce just as much writings and make it available.
10:30:19 Online is reputable thinkers. so it's very challenging, and children at a young age need more than ever to know how to discern between these things.
10:30:31 So feeding into that we're talking about fostering the development skills that continue growing, helping people to navigate life and fend for themselves in whatever environment they may live in right.
10:30:44 We We need to be preparing people to participate in the system the society and the environment that they're going to be emerging into once they're done with schooling with air quotes, because the idea that we're ever done
10:30:59 with schooling or learning is a misnomer even for today.
10:31:03 Right. Some people go to school, they get a degree whether it's. a high school diploma, or a college degree of a certain level or another, and they think they're done academics, of course, know they go on and continue studying.
10:31:15 And making new knowledge. but the rest of us there's no expectation for us to do that.
10:31:19 But the reality is, we should there's no good reason to stop learning or developing your skills.
10:31:25 And so one of the critical things that school should be instilling in our students is the ability to do that for themselves.
10:31:33 Time and time again, as life goes on. want to de Americanize.
10:31:39 This comment a little that you made. If we look back at the Transcript, you form it up with, like, you know, the invite.
10:31:46 Whatever environment, you know, they may live fending for themselves in whatever environment they may live.
10:31:52 This is really important because the American ideal that we bend the wheel of the environment we live in to accommodate us.
10:32:02 We make space we build accommodations for ourselves.
10:32:08 The American way of life will change and it'll be relative to the resources it'll be relative to the ecology, and it'll be relative to the community that you're dealing with in that region of of America because we
10:32:23 can't all have the American dream and so when we start to understand that this idea that we bend the will of the environment we're actually going to probably have to pull back and meet the environment somewhere in the middle which means we can't
10:32:37 sit in fully air conditioned buildings with 0 ecology.
10:32:43 You know method with it right there there we're gonna have to find a middle ground.
10:32:48 So people need to be ready to find more innovative innovative ways than just air conditioning that was made by a corporation than just double pain. Windows that were made by a corporation.
10:33:01 Resiliency is going to be very important I think that's kind of my set on it.
10:33:08 100%. The future will never look like the past. That much we can almost guarantee now more than ever.
10:33:17 So with that, said We also need to make sure we're instilling in pupils the practical habits necessary to collaborate and solve problems.
10:33:27 So speaking of the future being very different than the past there's going to be plenty of problems to solve we're already starting to see the tips of some of those icebergs or should I say we're starting to see the tips of those
10:33:39 icebergs mount which will create new problems for us to discover and to solve.
10:33:46 So we need to teach. We need to be teaching people how to do these things at a young age and practice it.
10:33:55 We've done it before right we've solved problems in the past.
10:33:59 I'm sorry I keep jumping in a lot on this stuff because it's getting me excited.
10:34:03 But The problem is, we stopped right? So, team, So it comes out in me all the time.
10:34:08 My corporate side. So, in a sense, we started as a agrarian society.
10:34:14 There was a great leap. We all agreed. Hey, what if we stop killing you each other a lot?
10:34:20 And we did like farm stuff, and we all like, you know, we kind of tried this thing, and there was like this huge leap forward for us as society.
10:34:29 And then we stopped like we just stopped, we're like Okay, we figured out farming, and then that was it, and we really have not tried again since then.
10:34:38 We Haven't said, Hey, now that we have this great information age?
10:34:44 Why don't we stop and rethink about what society should look like okay?
10:34:47 It's been it's been a cool cool few 100 years with this farming and serfdom thing. but it's it's time to look at what's next
10:35:02 No totally I mean and that kind of goes back to The phone fact that we don't need to memorize anything anymore is because the knowledge and information is changing so fast and it's available at your fingertips
10:35:14 in America. Thanks for making that point. Not everywhere in the world, you know.
10:35:21 Can education be converted necessarily to to such a means but we'll see we're getting starlink satellites.
10:35:27 We're getting all kinds of technology that we didn't have before.
10:35:29 So it may level the playing field, not just for hopefully democratizing things, but making information and knowledge more widely available to people in the world, because every brain is the home for great ideas.
10:35:47 So one of the other things we need to be able to teach students is to learn how to discover and rediscover who they are to know.
10:35:56 Their purpose, and maintain an alignment towards nature.
10:36:03 An alignment towards nature is kind of feeds back into that whole collaborating and solving problems.
10:36:08 I mean the nature of humanity as we know it today.
10:36:11 The best of human nature's when we come together to solve problems, when we come together to build democracy when we come together.
10:36:21 You know, in order to create a community where we can thrive, and we can build things together above and beyond anything we could have done alone.
10:36:31 So the nature, when we're talking about aligning to our nature, knowing our purpose, it's in inside each of us is some intrinsic motivation to do something to take some kind of action, to understand something and maybe do something about
10:36:45 it and then an alignment to our nature is just the fact that we don't survive alone at all
10:36:56 And this is something that should be instilled in people at a young age that we all need.
10:37:00 One another you know we're all we all at one way or another end up becoming.
10:37:05 We're all dependent on one another even if it's on the system that we sustain, and maintain, and some of our inequality. our cast segmentation has divorced us from that very real fact, but we've
10:37:18 had a past President who's tried to remind us not so successfully that not we take advantage of, and we benefit from things we did not build.
10:37:29 We did not create right into a society we're born into this world of technology that we did not build.
10:37:36 We did not create, but we benefit from it, and over time we may contribute to it right, and it may help us succeed.
10:37:43 But but never should. we think we did anything alone. That is always a mistake, always.
10:37:52 Oh, okay, the reason why people start gardening it's something that our friends do when they reach a certain level of affluence.
10:38:02 They have the land for it, you know they have the time for it to to cultivate a garden.
10:38:07 What if gardening was different, What if you said you're gonna guard and that just meant you're gonna go help in the gardens that are large community spaces?
10:38:15 What if gardening meant a different phrase? in the future that if you said oh, i'm gonna start gardening. That means you were removing the fences to your house, and you were letting people cultivate in your yard as
10:38:28 a garden. So gardening is not nearly merely a term of you going out and doing something in your yard alone.
10:38:34 You know people are getting chickens in the in their on their properties.
10:38:36 Right, this, this idea of producing an owning and cultivating.
10:38:41 But the problem is, we shouldn't do it in silos we should do it together.
10:38:47 I like that. we'll have to do a whole episode on repurposing that word gardening, and we got a couple more bullets, and then we'll take a break.
10:39:03 So students should be provided with a knowledge base of practical information. Right?
10:39:06 So we we earlier, We said no memorization and things of that nature.
10:39:10 But but there are some ideas, concepts and truths, information and data.
10:39:16 You know that does help inform us. now, and in the future, and so I think it's important to be identifying.
10:39:24 You know what those knowledge basis of practical information are, and making sure that there are available to students right?
10:39:32 This includes complete perspective of the world's history as We know it one that represents perspectives of a fair cross-section of all groups.
10:39:42 You can't hope that a child is going to grow up and be able to participate in the best way possible.
10:39:48 If they don't understand how the world got to be the way it is when they get there right.
10:39:58 It. There is such an amazing orientation that happens to society and your place in it.
10:40:05 Once. you understand the real history of things, because when you are only taught a piece here and there.
10:40:12 You're gonna experience things based on the real history. But you're gonna have no concept as to why you're treated a certain way, or whatever the situation happens to be in that environment.
10:40:23 Because you don't have a full understanding of how it came to be. You don't have a phone understanding of what people may look upon you, and some potential assumptions that may be made right we don't really know what
10:40:35 It's like to grow up in different areas of our society or different areas of our country.
10:40:42 So we don't know one another and it causes a lot of problems.
10:40:45 So this idea of one world history is really important for us to get oriented to again the environment that you're going to be emerging into how it got to the place that it was at, because of the facts that have occurred in the
10:41:00 past, and where you fit from your ancestry to everything else showing up in that environment.
10:41:10 The other side of that is practical waste understanding now navigate our modern economic environment as a consumer in a business, you know, on this show, we espouse a lot about people becoming their own businesses.
10:41:24 Okay, we We talk about jobs in a specifically but ideally people will be doing their own things.
10:41:33 And you know it's important to open people's minds and give people practical knowledge.
10:41:41 If that's the direction they want to go and participate and maybe not coming immediately out of school, do they want to open a business.
10:41:47 Maybe they want to go explore some things. but at some point they may find that that exploration leads them to open a business, and so it would be better if the whole time they're going down that path they already knew in the
10:42:00 back of our mind. What are the practical steps to go through in order to open a business?
10:42:06 But even before you get to that, what are the practical steps to be a smart consumer?
10:42:09 We know for a fact, unless everything changes suddenly the environment students will be going into, will They'll automatically be a consumer.
10:42:21 They? They're going into an economic system ideally at some point. They will also become a business that offers services to their community at large and other businesses right?
10:42:31 That that would be really great. and it's and and that is a practical foundation.
10:42:36 We used to teach like home economics and some other stuff, which obviously has a very different spin on it. but it would be in the same vein like, How do I do investments? How do?
10:42:45 I do banking. You know How How do businesses work in general?
10:42:50 What is the path for a business if I want to start as a sole proprietorship, and it grows up.
10:42:55 This is not something. These fundamental things are accessible to an individual coming out of high school.
10:43:03 It should be something that they know you shouldn't have to go to you shouldn't have to spend a ton of money on an mba.
10:43:08 Understand how to run a small business that's not necessary mbas are for people who want to go into investments, and you know the big, highfalutin things in Wall Street, etc. I You know and We can debate
10:43:21 in that i'm obviously on on my own tangent of opinion but hopefully i'm making the point there
10:43:31 And then last note. By the end of schooling, our people should be ready to participate in the next steps of their purpose.
10:43:36 Driven lives regardless of one's choice of apprenticeship location, art, or college.
10:43:43 Everyone should be prepared for their next phase, whatever that next phase is, and as a part of restructuring education and learning, apprenticeship, vocation, art, or college, should all be very clear and present opportunities at the end of high
10:43:58 school,
10:44:12 , still out there, i'm sorry good to see you did the video fail?
10:44:20 Okay, sorry Beep being completely honest and vulnerable.
10:44:27 Is that you know, I didn't finish is high school not because for any specific reason, really, maybe because it didn't accept me at the time in society, maybe because it was boring and it didn't seem practical.
10:44:44 And I was tired of jumping through hoops or maybe i'm lazy bye.
10:44:52 I I think that school education should be a place that you want to go to. It should be a place that nurtures you, and it's never been for anybody.
10:44:59 I don't think anybody in this world says that can feel that like they're full.
10:45:05 Education was in nurturing caring or growthful or enriching experience, that that practically gave them that that that purpose, like purpose is always separate, and I don't see why that has to be it's because funding funding
10:45:20 causes purpose to be squeezed out of modern education
10:45:32 Yeah, I think that's a good point I think we're like we're the caste system comes to bear on the education system, and how it's institutionalized the cast system right because funding funding was all based
10:45:47 on property taxes, and so poor neighborhoods get port schools rich neighborhoods get rich schools, and so the caste system continues on and on.
10:45:59 That's a continues that's a continued theme for us like we are not in consistent on the show, because we always said that you know if we are a capitalist society then money equals freedom funding equals, freedom so, why would if then why wouldn't
10:46:15 all schools have the exact same funding there's no reason for it?
10:46:20 Yeah, Not if we wanted to create equal citizens across country.
10:46:23 Should I have equal funding? gonna Add that as a bullet before we publish the show notes? Alright, with that. let's go ahead and take a break time from time for a message from our sponsor citizen.
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10:48:24 I think that as education is something that is so deeply rooted in the human experience, right now, a lot of people are very, very tied to the paperwork that comes from education the acknowledgement from the other
10:48:44 tribe members of the education. They enjoy arguing about which building is better than the other or collection of buildings.
10:48:56 It just E: So education has a place. It obviously is very important, and what what we have to realize is that you have to disconnect yourself from your personal experience with education.
10:49:10 It was meaningful for many people. but it doesn't mean it was right, or the only experience you deserved.
10:49:20 So I want to be clear about that. you know just because you had a positive experience, just because you felt like education did loads for you.
10:49:29 All we're saying is that it should have done loads plus more.
10:49:33 I believe every one of us in the education system probably felt at one time that it could have done better for us, could have done a little bit more.
10:49:40 They should have offered that class. you mean just because you can't get a minimum number of students you're gonna drop that class.
10:49:48 That was the most important to me that I cared about the most that happened all the time.
10:49:52 That still happens in. From what I understand in the universities why is it optional on you getting your money that you are going to enrich me? If it's about a well rounded education, then it should always be there whether 1 2 or
10:50:11 3 people show up It's about reliability it's about apprenticeship apprenticeship is usually one on 1 one on 3.
10:50:22 You know it's not a huge group so we need to rethink education, how it's delivered, and when it's truly beneficial, people will come in and they'll show up and and maybe even people like me,
10:50:36 would have finished their paperwork
10:50:44 Yeah, no, it's a it's a great point no matter how good it was for you.
10:50:50 It can be better for sure, and it should be a lifelong with that, let's go ahead and move into our calls to action.
10:51:01 I know we're over time we're at about 34 min.
10:51:05 So we'll see how quickly I can get through these maybe we'll finish in the 40 spot.
10:51:12 So for our calls to action today. Consider how you or your children might have benefited from such a learning program as described in this episode.
10:51:22 Then answer the questions to yourself. Why not make changes for the better?
10:51:26 What changes would you support in a radically different system and Why, when we say radically different, we didn't talk about it in a future episode, we'll talk about the power of artificial intelligence, and other physics models implementations, that
10:51:44 we could consider the for evolving how we learn and how to do it quickly, in a way that's equitable for all of our posterity.
10:51:56 Besides, you know, we we like to believe that anybody can become present.
10:51:59 That means anybody in any one of these schools could become present shouldn't. We teach everyone the same ways about our laws and about our means in our Republic.
10:52:09 I mean, that was the whole point of this thing. way back in the beginning.
10:52:14 I know we talk about factories. and all pad but originally we felt like, oh, this republic requires people to understand how it works because it's a representative system.
10:52:26 It's of the people for the people by the people who we better teach the people how to do that somewhere we lost our way
10:52:36 Next call to action. Besides, just considering what this episode could mean to you and our posterity find out ways that you may influence or join your local School Board.
10:52:49 I know that's been all the rage recently. but we got to try and keep it sustainable.
10:52:53 People should be interested in local school Boards education reasons for learning reasons Right for posterity reasons not for politics.
10:53:02 So if you are interested in evolving education, then that is an area where you would be able to influence things.
10:53:10 For the better, and it's from our school boards where we're gonna begin the hard work of introducing these ideas to communities at large because of the way we've laid out education across the country with all of Its
10:53:24 districts it's kind of like a a secondary democracy overlaying the Republic, or a secondary republic.
10:53:33 I don't know how democratic that system is but we do have voting.
10:53:36 You can vote for your school board members so I highly recommend you Pay attention to that explore local opportunities for apprenticeships that are available in your area.
10:53:46 We didn't spend a lot of time talking about it today. but we've talked about it in the past the value of apprentice ships, and and we would we will push on that in the future as a a major shift a
10:53:59 fundamental shift in how we think about learning, especially when you consider learning over a lifetime.
10:54:06 We could have many apprenticeships in a lifetime.
10:54:11 So for anybody who's interested in getting into some kind of new area or exploring the thing that they were always interested, but avoided it because it didn't pay well enough or what not seek out apprenticeships in your
10:54:21 area. see if that's something you can explore and it'll be either for you to retool yourself, or for your loved ones, just to be aware of.
10:54:31 Sometimes these can be sponsored through local trade groups, through unions.
10:54:35 Community colleges and vocational institutes so look up those groups and see if there's anybody in your area.
10:54:46 And do your best not to rely on the system We have to care for.
10:54:51 You or your child's learning lifelong learning is critical to having any chance of fulfilling a life's purpose.
10:55:00 So don't rely on the systems, we have right We We can utilize those systems fine, but they leave us short.
10:55:09 They leave us more than a dollar short and it's critical for each of us to continue investing in ourselves and our learning opportunities over time.
10:55:19 And with that we would just say, Keep growing and learning, do it alone, or with others.
10:55:24 Do it now so much as accessible at your fingertips through any Internet, enabled device
10:55:42 Although with that, No, on any Internet enabled device, make sure you bring your fact detector with you, make sure you're able to discern information, facts and things of that.
10:55:53 Nature, because the Internet is full of things to learn but not all of it is useful or valuable.
10:55:59 I'm trying to wrap this episode by being quiet, but then you throw that, and and if you do want to talk to somebody about facts,
10:56:07 You can throw on an oculus headset and grow.
10:56:11 Go into the inf universe. We do meet people there on Sundays.
10:56:15 We hope to see you there. We'll be plugging that more and more in the coming episode.
10:56:23 So don't feel like you're missing out on anything too secretive.
10:56:26 We just haven't sold it yet the multiverse meta vr headsets.
10:56:32 We're going there. we're getting out there we're gonna be able to meet you soon.
10:56:38 Yeah, it's gonna do it. We have been your hosts thank you to Mr.
10:56:44 Raymond Wong, Jr. and thank you, Mr.
10:56:47 Piscatelli. I truly believe this has created a new wrinkle in my learning brain.
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